I must apologize to anyone who may have searched for and found nothing new on my blog as I was off the Internet for quite some time and just recently my circumstances changed so that I was able to get back on and continue with my blogs.
I am still unable to do Ancestry research or join the other site that has all the most newspapers which I am hoping to find some mention somewhere of my great great grandmothers marriage and or birth notice in the paper of her first child and maybe the obituary of her mother that will at least prove or disprove if her mother died in child-birth, or if in fact she was the child of Servia/Sophia and not of Rhoda as I expect. Of course her great grandfather mentions her in his will, as the daughter of his daughter Rhoda Austin Cole who was deceased, but Rhoda's death date precedes the date we have for her daughter's birth which makes it IMPOSSIBLE for her to have birthed her: unless: the dates (mother's death or daughter's birth) are wrong as it would seem that Rhoda could have died right after the daughter Jane was born and that would seem possible and even right for Rhoda's sister to raise Jane in her household until she was married 25 May 1848 according to some, my mother included. The first child we know of being born to Jane was born in 1853. Jane would have been 11 years old when she married, but she was included in the household of Palmer and Sophia/Servia Cole in the 1850 census being 13 years of age, if born in 1837 and no mention of a husband there. A Jonathan was listed that fits with the earlier census' as being a son of Palmer and Sophia, and then a Permelia who is first mentioned here in 1850 and I believe is Jonathan's wife. I can't wait to get back into my research. I really would like to find out the truth of the matter if at all possible. Either way, if Jane is Rhoda's or Sophia's they both being daughters of Ezra Austin, would make the siblings all relative anyway and the ancestors of Ezra the same. And as I suspect Palmer and Solomon were brothers too, so that side of the tree would also have the same ancestors most likely at least for the generations concerned.
Speaking of research, I haven't been on Ancestry for many a year now so I hope when I return there will be a lot more for me to search than before and when I get the other site, I am hoping that there is a newspaper or article there that will mention my ancestors and clear up the mystery for me. I want to search Illinois also again as I think they may have been there when the census' was carried out and that is why I find no record of them for the year they aren't listed in the NYS federal census. It could be they got married in Illinois or even had their first child there. There are some Cole children listed as heirs in Ezra's will that were in Illinois at the time. Well until next time. Happy Searching.
Sunday, March 13, 2011
Monday, January 17, 2011
My Fonda Family
There is a gedcom on Roots Web about the Fonda family genealogy by Adam Mark Fonda. I know he spent many hours, days, weeks, months, and years and plenty of money to make this gedcom, but I warn everyone who does research to not follow this history as if it were completely true. He does have some dates and names wrong so you must do your own research on your ancestry line, not to simply take what he has down as the gospel truth. He has added middle names to some taking the fathers name and placing it as a middle name for the son to keep the line connected in his own mind though there is no proof that the son had a middle name - this also may lead to mistakes in family lines. My own personal family Fonda line is not correct on his gedcom so please do not use it thinking my line is incorrect on my blog. I have copies of birth/death/marriage certificates to prove my dates; where there is a question of parents etc I have acknowledged there is a question and there is no proof as yet to be found by me. I am still searching and will not allow a misconception to be construed as the truth without alerting the viewer/reader as to the problem. Please know that our ancestors know who they are and who they were related to and that God knows everyone and we are all one family under him. This is not a life or death situation, but for purests it may be very important to them and there could be legal things involved in knowing the truth of relationships. But these are so far in the past it is not very likely to matter in this age. We are able to keep track of thngs better now, but with the promiscuity of our children and the sperm banks and the children of those who are not female/male parents it is not likely that our future children will be able to get a true ancestral line if they search for one. Time is short for all of us and we will meet someday all who we are descended from if we are lucky enough to.
Thursday, September 11, 2008
Ezra Austen/Austin
Imagine my joy and surprise when I received an email from a descendant of Ezra Austin. She told me that Jane was listed in Ezra's probate records. My question here is, which Jane? Jane Cole Fonda, a grand-daughter, or Jane Rider Cole, a daughter-in-law? I do hope it is Jane Cole Fonda and that he stated in his will whose daughter she really was! My e-mailer advised that she hadn't dug out the files yet on her ancestor but when she did, she would contact me again. I am on pins and needles!! I would wait with bated breath, but am afraid I would expire before I hear from her again, so it's pins and needles for me. As soon as I am contacted and find out the information I will be back here to post it to my blog. I know I am counting on an uncertain lead - so many times, the testator will not be explicit with the names and relationships of those who are listed in the will/probate. I am hoping Ezra was a very conscientious and explicit type of person who would make sure that any names in his will are clear as to who they are related to as son, daughter, father, mother, grand-daughter, daughter-in-law, wife, brother etc. I have read a few Lawyer wills and those are very explicit and you can connect families together because of the very clear lines drawn by the testators.
Until next time.
Until next time.
Thursday, August 14, 2008
Summarizing Cole
I deleted some information that I had put on here yesterday. It was too confusing even for me so today I am going to summarize what I know and give my reasoning for what I suspect.
Jane E. Cole, wife of John Fonda:
born in Saratoga Co., NY: 24 Sep 1837 (per death certificate)
died in Fulton Co., NY 6 Jan 1916 (per death certificate)
age at death: 78 years 3 months 13 days. ( per death certificate)
Parents: (per death certificate) Solomon Fonda and Jane Austin> know this is not correct.
Married: John Fonda
Date of marriage: unknown
Place of marriage: unknown
What we do know:
In 1840 USFC: Palmer Cole has a female child 0-4 ys of age=1836-1840.
In 1840 USFC: Solomon Cole has no female children.
In 1850 USFC: Palmer Cole has a female child named Jane E. Cole, age 13.
In 1850 USFC: Solomon Cole has no female child born 1837.
In 1853 Winfield Scott Fonda born to Jane E and John Fonda in Canajoharie, Montgomery Co., NY.
In 1855 Benjamin Franklin Fonda born to Jane E and John Fonda
In 1859 Agnes Fonda born to Jane E and John Fonda
In 1860 USFC: haven't found them yet
In 1862 Edith Viola Fonda born to Jane E and John Fonda
In 1863 a child Charlie Fonda was born and was in the HH in 1870.
In 1865 a child Eva Fonda was born and was in the HH in 1870.
In 1868 William H. Fonda born to Jane E and John Fonda (called Willie in 1870 Census)
In 1870 USFC John, Jane E, Ben, Agnes, Charlie, Eva, and Willie.
In 1872 Erwin Fonda was born to Jane E and John Fonda
In 1874 Herbert Fonda was born to Jane E and John Fonda
In 1879 Mary Evalyn was born and died
In 1880 USFC: haven't found them yet
In 1881 Emmett Blair Fonda born to Jane E and John Fonda in Galway, Saratoga Co, NY
In 1890 Oct 15; John Fonda age 64 died in Fonda, Montgomery Co., NY (per death certificate and W.S. Fonda was informant)(Presumed buried in Fonda, NY)
In 1900 USFC haven't found Jane E Fonda yet
In 1910 USFC: Jane E living in HH of Emmett Fonda: age 74, bore 9 children with 8 living - listed as grandmother to HH, with father born RI, widowed.
In 1916 Jane E. age 78y 3m 13d, died in Gloversville, NY and was buried in Fonda Cemetery.
If we count the number of children listed in the above, we see that there are 10 children> Winfield Scott, Agnes, Ben, Charlie, Eva, William, Erwin, Herbert, Mary E. and Emmett. We also know that two of the children Benjamin in 1906, and Mary Evalyn in 1879 died before Jane E. in 1916. We do not know for sure if any more children were born &/or died. The dates of births that we have are:
1853, 1855, 1859, 1862, 1863, 1868, 1872, 1874, 1879, 1881. Some of these may not be exact as they are taken from the census. If you also notice, Jane E. states that her father was born in RI. The only place a Palmer Cole in the census states that he was born in RI is in the 1860 USFC for Erie Co, NY. The 1850 states NYS.
Reasons why Jane E could not be Solomon and Rhoda Austin Coles daughter:
1. Rhoda Austin Cole died 1836
1A: Solomon and Jane Rider: Jane has no female children listed in 1840.
2. Solomon and female about same age in 1840 Census with no female children.
Solomon and Jane Rider had son George die in 1835, sons Arnold and John living in 1840.
3. 1840 USFC shows Palmer and Sophia with a male 10-14 and a female 0-4. (1837) no other children.
4. 1850 USFC shows Jane E in HH of Palmer and Sophia Cole age 13 (1837) John age 24, and Pamelia age 22 - believe John and Pamelia married.
Reason for Solomon and Jane to be listed on death certificate of Jane E Fonda:
1.- Solomon and Jane may be parents of Jane E. Cole - given to Palmer and Sophia to raise as their own daughter.
2. - Name Austin was remembered because Solomon was married to Rhoda Austin who died 1836.
3. - and Solomon and unknown female in 1840 census (could be Jane Rider);
4. - George Cole, dies 1835, record states he was son of Solomon and Jane Cole.
5. - Emmett or someone in HH stated Jane E. was grandmother leading me to believe they confused Jane E Cole Fonda the mother, with Jane Rider Cole the grandmother. When Emmett was born his mother was already 45 years of age
CHECK: DOUBLECHECK: Gravestones, death records, state census', marriage and divorce records, births, adoptions/church/obituaries and town directories for all the places mentioned. I will check all Mom's research as well as what I can find on the Internet.
Jane E. Cole, wife of John Fonda:
born in Saratoga Co., NY: 24 Sep 1837 (per death certificate)
died in Fulton Co., NY 6 Jan 1916 (per death certificate)
age at death: 78 years 3 months 13 days. ( per death certificate)
Parents: (per death certificate) Solomon Fonda and Jane Austin> know this is not correct.
Married: John Fonda
Date of marriage: unknown
Place of marriage: unknown
What we do know:
In 1840 USFC: Palmer Cole has a female child 0-4 ys of age=1836-1840.
In 1840 USFC: Solomon Cole has no female children.
In 1850 USFC: Palmer Cole has a female child named Jane E. Cole, age 13.
In 1850 USFC: Solomon Cole has no female child born 1837.
In 1853 Winfield Scott Fonda born to Jane E and John Fonda in Canajoharie, Montgomery Co., NY.
In 1855 Benjamin Franklin Fonda born to Jane E and John Fonda
In 1859 Agnes Fonda born to Jane E and John Fonda
In 1860 USFC: haven't found them yet
In 1862 Edith Viola Fonda born to Jane E and John Fonda
In 1863 a child Charlie Fonda was born and was in the HH in 1870.
In 1865 a child Eva Fonda was born and was in the HH in 1870.
In 1868 William H. Fonda born to Jane E and John Fonda (called Willie in 1870 Census)
In 1870 USFC John, Jane E, Ben, Agnes, Charlie, Eva, and Willie.
In 1872 Erwin Fonda was born to Jane E and John Fonda
In 1874 Herbert Fonda was born to Jane E and John Fonda
In 1879 Mary Evalyn was born and died
In 1880 USFC: haven't found them yet
In 1881 Emmett Blair Fonda born to Jane E and John Fonda in Galway, Saratoga Co, NY
In 1890 Oct 15; John Fonda age 64 died in Fonda, Montgomery Co., NY (per death certificate and W.S. Fonda was informant)(Presumed buried in Fonda, NY)
In 1900 USFC haven't found Jane E Fonda yet
In 1910 USFC: Jane E living in HH of Emmett Fonda: age 74, bore 9 children with 8 living - listed as grandmother to HH, with father born RI, widowed.
In 1916 Jane E. age 78y 3m 13d, died in Gloversville, NY and was buried in Fonda Cemetery.
If we count the number of children listed in the above, we see that there are 10 children> Winfield Scott, Agnes, Ben, Charlie, Eva, William, Erwin, Herbert, Mary E. and Emmett. We also know that two of the children Benjamin in 1906, and Mary Evalyn in 1879 died before Jane E. in 1916. We do not know for sure if any more children were born &/or died. The dates of births that we have are:
1853, 1855, 1859, 1862, 1863, 1868, 1872, 1874, 1879, 1881. Some of these may not be exact as they are taken from the census. If you also notice, Jane E. states that her father was born in RI. The only place a Palmer Cole in the census states that he was born in RI is in the 1860 USFC for Erie Co, NY. The 1850 states NYS.
Reasons why Jane E could not be Solomon and Rhoda Austin Coles daughter:
1. Rhoda Austin Cole died 1836
1A: Solomon and Jane Rider: Jane has no female children listed in 1840.
2. Solomon and female about same age in 1840 Census with no female children.
Solomon and Jane Rider had son George die in 1835, sons Arnold and John living in 1840.
3. 1840 USFC shows Palmer and Sophia with a male 10-14 and a female 0-4. (1837) no other children.
4. 1850 USFC shows Jane E in HH of Palmer and Sophia Cole age 13 (1837) John age 24, and Pamelia age 22 - believe John and Pamelia married.
Reason for Solomon and Jane to be listed on death certificate of Jane E Fonda:
1.- Solomon and Jane may be parents of Jane E. Cole - given to Palmer and Sophia to raise as their own daughter.
2. - Name Austin was remembered because Solomon was married to Rhoda Austin who died 1836.
3. - and Solomon and unknown female in 1840 census (could be Jane Rider);
4. - George Cole, dies 1835, record states he was son of Solomon and Jane Cole.
5. - Emmett or someone in HH stated Jane E. was grandmother leading me to believe they confused Jane E Cole Fonda the mother, with Jane Rider Cole the grandmother. When Emmett was born his mother was already 45 years of age
CHECK: DOUBLECHECK: Gravestones, death records, state census', marriage and divorce records, births, adoptions/church/obituaries and town directories for all the places mentioned. I will check all Mom's research as well as what I can find on the Internet.
Monday, April 21, 2008
Great Grandma
I just heard the news yesterday. My grandson and his girlfriend are going to have a baby. That is all I know right now. No name, no sex, no date, just have to wait till I hear more, but isn't it wonderful!! Another member of the family line is going to be born. Will this child be interested in his/her ancestors? Will he/she be wanting to continue the research? This child will have a couple of whole new lines to work on; his/her mothers and his/her fathers plus all those that connect on those two. I will try to have the childs' father's father's mother's line completed as much as possible. The childs father's father's line has already been partially done and is published.
I know I was going to speak of Scrapbooking this time and I will. This will give me a chance to do a few baby pages for the scrapbook. I still have so much to do; many photos still need to be scanned onto the computer so that I won't lose them if something should happen to the originals. I will be using some of the originals in the scrapbooks I hope to make for different members of the family. And this will be something I know I can pass on to my descendants. Someone in the family will care for them after I am gone. But I am not going anywhere for a very long time except to Kansas City and Indianapolis this year.
Speaking of scrapbooking. I have been getting scrapbooking ideas in the form of a binder and it's leaflets from "Photos, Memories and More" for over a year now. I have started a second binder and will probably get a 3rd and 4th before it finally ends. There are many pages of ideas for every imaginable event or date or happening that can be thought of. Some I may never use, but others I am sure to make use of. Today I hope to have the time to start on some more pages. Later on I will have to purchase more protectors and more papers as I will be making different sizes of scrapbooks. The one I am keeping is of my mother and father and their siblings and children and their friends. It is the largest one, a 12X12 post bound book. The other one I have is a 8.5X11 3 ring binder type. I want to get more like the 3 ring binder one to give to my family members. The best way to hand down your ancestor tree and pedigree along with the photos and history is through scrapbooking. You are able to use everything you can find to make the lives of the people you are scrapbooking about come to life. Those small things that were kept because of sentimental reasons like the wedding bouquet, the invitations, the graduation announcements, birth announcements, newspaper articles, and yes the death obits and certificates also. The scrapbook is about the whole life, not just the good things though we do want to remember all the good things we can about our ancestors. But if there is a criminal record for a great great grandfather, go ahead and use it. Did he get thrown in jail for stealing a coat? or food? Why do you suppose he stole? What is the real story behind the act? Was he hungry and out of work and lost his home, maybe his family too? Or was he just a ne'er do well? Was he a "black sheep" of the family? What makes up your family ancestry? Who were these people who ultimately gave you life? Learn as much as you can about the times of your ancestors - the history of where they lived and what were the weather conditions, the political conditions, the geography of the area; the economy of the times that helped to make the decisions your ancestors made.
And for those of you who are living today - keep a diary of your life and let your descendants know what your circumstances are, what your area of the country is like, what the economy is and how you handled the hardships you face; your political views and the places you traveled and the great things you saw or were a part of. And don't forget to mention the little known things, like a nickname you had, or your favorite flower or color, your favorite food, and did you have a garden. Everyday life may be boring to you, but to your descendants it will be an exciting time in history that they will enjoy reading about and seeing with your eyes. Mention the people you know, or met and how they affected your life. Give a good accounting of your years and leave it for all the descendants that you have a part in making who they are. Until next time.
I know I was going to speak of Scrapbooking this time and I will. This will give me a chance to do a few baby pages for the scrapbook. I still have so much to do; many photos still need to be scanned onto the computer so that I won't lose them if something should happen to the originals. I will be using some of the originals in the scrapbooks I hope to make for different members of the family. And this will be something I know I can pass on to my descendants. Someone in the family will care for them after I am gone. But I am not going anywhere for a very long time except to Kansas City and Indianapolis this year.
Speaking of scrapbooking. I have been getting scrapbooking ideas in the form of a binder and it's leaflets from "Photos, Memories and More" for over a year now. I have started a second binder and will probably get a 3rd and 4th before it finally ends. There are many pages of ideas for every imaginable event or date or happening that can be thought of. Some I may never use, but others I am sure to make use of. Today I hope to have the time to start on some more pages. Later on I will have to purchase more protectors and more papers as I will be making different sizes of scrapbooks. The one I am keeping is of my mother and father and their siblings and children and their friends. It is the largest one, a 12X12 post bound book. The other one I have is a 8.5X11 3 ring binder type. I want to get more like the 3 ring binder one to give to my family members. The best way to hand down your ancestor tree and pedigree along with the photos and history is through scrapbooking. You are able to use everything you can find to make the lives of the people you are scrapbooking about come to life. Those small things that were kept because of sentimental reasons like the wedding bouquet, the invitations, the graduation announcements, birth announcements, newspaper articles, and yes the death obits and certificates also. The scrapbook is about the whole life, not just the good things though we do want to remember all the good things we can about our ancestors. But if there is a criminal record for a great great grandfather, go ahead and use it. Did he get thrown in jail for stealing a coat? or food? Why do you suppose he stole? What is the real story behind the act? Was he hungry and out of work and lost his home, maybe his family too? Or was he just a ne'er do well? Was he a "black sheep" of the family? What makes up your family ancestry? Who were these people who ultimately gave you life? Learn as much as you can about the times of your ancestors - the history of where they lived and what were the weather conditions, the political conditions, the geography of the area; the economy of the times that helped to make the decisions your ancestors made.
And for those of you who are living today - keep a diary of your life and let your descendants know what your circumstances are, what your area of the country is like, what the economy is and how you handled the hardships you face; your political views and the places you traveled and the great things you saw or were a part of. And don't forget to mention the little known things, like a nickname you had, or your favorite flower or color, your favorite food, and did you have a garden. Everyday life may be boring to you, but to your descendants it will be an exciting time in history that they will enjoy reading about and seeing with your eyes. Mention the people you know, or met and how they affected your life. Give a good accounting of your years and leave it for all the descendants that you have a part in making who they are. Until next time.
Saturday, April 12, 2008
Reunion Update
The King Family Reunion will be held in July this year, the actual day is still undecided, but it will probably be about the 3rd or 4th Sunday of the month. More will be posted as I find out when for sure it is going to be.
A few years ago it was changed to September, but before that it was always held in July and they decided to go back to July for the Reunions of the King Family.
A few years ago it was changed to September, but before that it was always held in July and they decided to go back to July for the Reunions of the King Family.
Thursday, April 10, 2008
Magazines, RSS Feeds, Societies
How many Genealogy or Family History magazines do you subscribe to? I like Family Tree Magazine. It advertises that it is "America's # 1 Family History Magazine!" and I believe it. There is so many helpful articles in one issue that it takes a while to try them all out. The best feature at the moment is the "state research guides" that they are putting in that you can take out and put in a binder. They do two states per issue and will have Ohio, Florida, Maryland, Ohlahoma, Mississippi, and New Jersey in the coming months.
One of the articles has to do with Surnames. Now you might not think you could write much about "surnames" because, you know, everyone has them. But WOW! wait till you read the article. Or wait till you start researching your own Surname and see just how many you will come across that also has your given name. Talk about confusing!! And when you start looking for that ancestor that you just know is going to be the one that gets you into the SAR or DAR and find out there are 20 or 30 with the same exact name, and possibly the same birthplace, and even the same birth month and you don't know the exact birthdate of your own ancestor - well, it is frustrating to say the least. But take heart, there are ways to find your one true ancestor. The article lists seven (7) ways to look at your Surname and find out all about it. And you could find a lot more relatives than you thought possible to boot.
There's always good articles in The Family Tree magazine and I recommend everyone to subscribe to it.
Another good resource to have are the RSS feeds for blogs, articles etc that are published on the Internet. I subscribe to Arlene E'akle's Virginia blog and Genealogy Insider and even the Midwestern Roots 2008: Family History Conference to keep up on the news. I am going to be adding more as I come across those that interest me.
And how about Genealogical Societies! Right now I am a member of the National Genealogical Society (NGS) which is holding its annual conference in Kansas City, Missouri this year and in Raleigh, North Carolina next year. I plan on going to both as they are very informative and you meet lots of Professional Genealogists that offer tips and other information that can be very useful in your own research. It is also a very good idea to join those societies that are located in the area of your ancestral research. Mine is in New York mostly, so joining the Central New York Genealogical Society is my next project. They have "Tree Talks", their publication of genealogical records from around the State of New York. Each one covers portions of records from different counties within New York and you have to receive them all in order to have the complete record so a continuing subscription/membership is vital. You can purchase back issues of Tree Talks if you happen to miss one for one reason or another. Tree Talks publishes abstracts, bible records, has book reviews, and queries and articles on genealogy and research, military records, births, deaths, will records, marriages, tax lists, cemeterys and so much more. It is a good idea to have a lot of binders to put these in as they come as loose leaf pages so that you can someday have complete volumes in one binder. They have been around since 1961 so there are plenty of volumes to collect.
Next time I will be talking about more genealogical resources and scrapbooking. Scrapbooking is a creative way to do your family tree with pictures, anecdotes, articles that belonged to great- great grandma, special events that occurred in your ancestors or your own life. Till next time.
One of the articles has to do with Surnames. Now you might not think you could write much about "surnames" because, you know, everyone has them. But WOW! wait till you read the article. Or wait till you start researching your own Surname and see just how many you will come across that also has your given name. Talk about confusing!! And when you start looking for that ancestor that you just know is going to be the one that gets you into the SAR or DAR and find out there are 20 or 30 with the same exact name, and possibly the same birthplace, and even the same birth month and you don't know the exact birthdate of your own ancestor - well, it is frustrating to say the least. But take heart, there are ways to find your one true ancestor. The article lists seven (7) ways to look at your Surname and find out all about it. And you could find a lot more relatives than you thought possible to boot.
There's always good articles in The Family Tree magazine and I recommend everyone to subscribe to it.
Another good resource to have are the RSS feeds for blogs, articles etc that are published on the Internet. I subscribe to Arlene E'akle's Virginia blog and Genealogy Insider and even the Midwestern Roots 2008: Family History Conference to keep up on the news. I am going to be adding more as I come across those that interest me.
And how about Genealogical Societies! Right now I am a member of the National Genealogical Society (NGS) which is holding its annual conference in Kansas City, Missouri this year and in Raleigh, North Carolina next year. I plan on going to both as they are very informative and you meet lots of Professional Genealogists that offer tips and other information that can be very useful in your own research. It is also a very good idea to join those societies that are located in the area of your ancestral research. Mine is in New York mostly, so joining the Central New York Genealogical Society is my next project. They have "Tree Talks", their publication of genealogical records from around the State of New York. Each one covers portions of records from different counties within New York and you have to receive them all in order to have the complete record so a continuing subscription/membership is vital. You can purchase back issues of Tree Talks if you happen to miss one for one reason or another. Tree Talks publishes abstracts, bible records, has book reviews, and queries and articles on genealogy and research, military records, births, deaths, will records, marriages, tax lists, cemeterys and so much more. It is a good idea to have a lot of binders to put these in as they come as loose leaf pages so that you can someday have complete volumes in one binder. They have been around since 1961 so there are plenty of volumes to collect.
Next time I will be talking about more genealogical resources and scrapbooking. Scrapbooking is a creative way to do your family tree with pictures, anecdotes, articles that belonged to great- great grandma, special events that occurred in your ancestors or your own life. Till next time.
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